Dont use copper on an alloy block. ! via Valzina 40, Rodengo Saiano (BS) +39 030 6119563 +39 335 7093457 info@casaadea.it For what you are using it for, either will be absolutely fine since brake components do not get to the extreme temp range that copper is designed for. missileman September 3, 2014, 3:29pm #6. Use freely. My knee-jerk reaction recommendation to fix this corrosion problem would be to: <OL>, Corrosion rotoruadude90 8 mo. But here is a basic difference between them. Anti-seize belongs nowhere around a wheel hub or brake anyway. Good for up to 1100C. Use the aluminum powder anti-seize, always. Finely powdered nickel is not something you want on your skin. These anti-seize compounds were well suited to high temperature applications since aluminum can withstand temperatures 1000 F, copper to 1800 F and graphite to over 2000F. Any anti-seizing compound aside, aluminum and stainless steel are two metals to avoid in contact with each other in a marine environment. It was my understanding, years ago, that Nickle-Ease was better on aluminum to aluminum threads, but could be used effectively elsewhere. Copper grease is an anti seize compound, so whilst technically it isn't a lubricant, it's often used for these purposes. It strips the Aluminum oxide coating off it LiqourSnatch 8 mo. There's not much of a difference between the 2. I always use the aluminum antiseize for everything where antisieze is used. You might want to check the Never Seize site. Schmoe Joined May 12, 2003 Messages 7,813 Location Oklahoma Mar 2, 2011 #9 Don't use anything if your changing out the spark plugs on a Ford 5.4 or 4.6 liter Triton, they spit plugs and need no help in doing so. Grease should be used in on slide pins and pad ears, light greasing should be used on hub nosings, WD-40 on the backside of rims/hub faces, and penetrating oil or light spray lube like WD-40 on wheel bolt/lug threads. It protects metal parts under extreme heat, pressure, and contaminating conditions to 2000F (1095C). Jim. Copper anti-seize vs aluminum anti-seize, When not to use anti-seize, While anti-seize can seem like an excellent idea on some stubborn fasteners or a shortcut to a proper repair of damaged fasteners, you should not use anti-seize in some applications. Copper is highly reactive compared to nickel. by Permatex : $10.14: Buy on Amazon: 8. . The microwelding can cause the aluminum threads to rip out. The aluminum or copper varieties typically come in a bunch of different sized tubes etc., whereas the Nickel based anti seize is more of a professional grade. It has also proven very effective in high corrosive conditions with steel-on-steel, aluminum-to-aluminum, and many other applications. Most definitely, The silver, (alum.) The grease will seperate or cook out under heat. Anti-seize prevents that. It typically comes in larger bottles that cost more money overall. The anti-seize only uses the oil or grease as a carrier to congeal the compound for application. copper grease vs anti seize - caribtastytreats.com . Long-term protection against rust and corrosion. Copper and Aluminum are on opposite sides of the electro-negativity chart. The aluminum less so. Copper anti-seize pastes and lubricants are resistant to very high temperatures of up to 1800F (982C). Copper will cause aluminum to corrode. Put them together and you get major corrosion. Speaking of all things slippery and lubricated: As for the copper versus aluminium: Anti-seize is basically just a high-temperature grease blended with some solid lubricating powder. Nickel causes severe allergies and other problems. Copper Grade Anti-Seize is copper in color and is not recommended for applications where copper is prohibited. Any time you mix dissimilar metals with an electrolyte (the water your drive is sitting in), you run the risk of inducing what is known as galvanic corrosion. 2345 N. 17th AVE. However, a $25 in anti seize should be enough to last you the rest of your life if used correctly. That being said the classic aluminum anti-seize should work perfectly well for you. I see that Loctite's copper anti-seize is good to 1,800F, well above your 300C (572F). Aluminum may be the best application of that particular brew. is a gen. purpose use anti seize while the copper is a high heat application. . Don't mix elements if you can. Will call permatex tomorrow to confirm. The copper can cause galvanic fractures in some cases. This superior anti-seize and lubricating compound keeps parts working longer with less wear, minimizes parts replacement costs and enables faster disassembly when repairs are needed. Excellent in water, salt water and ionized water, Never Seez Regular Grade may be used in operating temperatures ranging from -297 F - 1800 F. F. We had two of four B7 bolts fracture. There are differences in asking for copper anti-seize or an anti-seize compound, Most copper anti-seize products solely contain copper as the anti-seizing agent. You will have more electrical potential between aluminum and stainless-steel than you would with the copper anti-seize. Just copper will cause aluminum to corrode quicker than normal. Logged, Wallace, Copper is a soft metal and can fail as an anti-seize agent under high pressure resulting in metal-on-metal contact and a seized fastener. Aluminum based anti seize should be compatible with aluminum applications. F. The "high temp" Anti-Seize is good to 2000 Deg. From my research, the two best kinds of anti-seize for general automotive use are the nickel and the aluminum variety, The Nickel based compound outperforms the copper and aluminum-based anti seizes. Use the aluminum powder anti-seize, always. drew is right, the anti-sieze is better and lasts longer. 10 wormwormo 8 mo. Tube , White : $3.97: Buy on Amazon: 6: AGS SIL-Glyde 4 oz Tube Silicone Based Brake Assembly Lubricant for Eliminating Disc Brake Squeal -. Copper anti-seize uses include sparkplug threads and ground screws, as well as other automotive applications such as screws, nuts, pipes, exhaust bolts, and brake caliper bolts. Non-Reactive, resistance to Chemicals and Extreme Corrosive Conditions No copper or aluminum. http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/LOCTITE.p;cm_vc=IDPRRZ1 I see that Loctite also sells a hi-temp anti-seize that's good to 2,000F. Aluminum anti-seize is good for standard applications that don't see such extreme temperatures. B, Good Luck, ago True. Here's why: anti-seize paste or grease is made up of microscopic bits of metal such as aluminum and copper, among other things. There are a few reasons for this. Copper based anti-seize should NEVER be used in contact with, or where it can get in contact with aluminum. All right, kind of what I figured that you don't know what you were talking about in terms of valence. ago Not always. Offers protection for up to 1400C. Antiseize is antiseize for the most part, unless it is going on brake caliper pins or the pad channels, then you should use a high heat antiseize. Copper was cheaper, so we started with that on steel bolts and flanges. Does it work better than using not. I really would not have enjoyed uninstalling my epidermal . Used mainly for threaded and unthreaded aluminum or . Protects load-bearing surfaces during critical wear-in. Since copper is a toxic metal you should avoid skin contact. On the Jeep you should never need the copper the heat qualities of the silver is more than adequate for automotive use. Yah-Tah-Hey Joined May 26, 2014 Messages 5,458 Location Columbus,Nebraska Apr 10, 2020 #5 According to Google, copper melts at 1,984F (1,085C) I'd have no problem using it at 250-300C. M mechtech2 Nothing but the best for my 111. Who needs problems! If this were an extreme environment use like an aerospace application, the copper might then cause problems. Next time I'm out, I'll look for the nickle based. Permatex 81343 Anti-Seize Lubricant, 1 oz . Anti-Seize Special is designed . This aluminum, copper, and graphite based anti-seize formula has unique particle shapes suspended in a special carrier. Copper eats up aluminum in a situation of dissimilar metals with water involved. Copper based anti-seize grease used on steel or iron is probably a good idea, but I would not use it on anything with Aluminum. So, using copper anti-seize won't give you any or very little/non harmful electrical potential between the bits. $9.44: Buy on Amazon: 7: Permatex 80078 Anti - Seize Lubricant with Brush Top Bottle, 8 oz . Nickel based anti seize is toxic. Copper is what I use and I think Nickle is used for HT exhaust type components. It sounds like for everyday use, copper anti-seize in aluminum is OK. Like Silver Grade, Copper Anti-Seize protects metal parts against rust, corrosion, galling and seizure at temperatures up to 1800 F. It is electrically conductive and does not compromise the integrity of soft metals. Using Copper Grease is a sure way to seize up the slider pins - When I first started doing this type of thing many years ago, many people were using copper grease for their entire brakes. The solid lube can be aluminium, copper, zinc, nickel or graphite, or a blend. Reduces friction on all metal surfaces. The best from what I read, would be nickle based. Copper eats up aluminum in a situation of, dissimilar metals with water involved. The nickel and copper are generally both good to 1800 Deg. Copper based anti-seize should NEVER be used in contact with, or where it can get, in contact with aluminum. Not a good idea. Anti-Seize Special is a superior-grade assembly compound and high-pressure lubricant. The silvery color is powdered aluminum (in permatex) which does not bond to steel thus providing a barrier between parts. They appeared to be over-torqued. Yesas many others have already stated. Better to sit silent and be thought the Fool.,,,,Rather than speak and be known as the FOOL! Because of the solids, you can't use anti-seize on parts that move. However, it can be hard to find at your local parts store. Does Anti-Seize compound and lubricant actually work better than other options such as grease, fluid film, or candle wax? Most anti-seize compounds originally contained copper and graphite or copper, aluminum, and graphite, which tended to work for most applications, in standard settings. One acts like a battery anode, and the other acts like a battery cathode. There really shouldn't be any grease touching the caliper. ago Most of the reviews for the silver colored anti-seize say they use it for brakes. It can be used in aluminum without any issues. Also, it appears that the copper-based anti-seize is the best at ensuring that nuts don't seize due to corrosion, which is lucky for me. CAUTION using Copper Anti-Seize!!! I think what I have should work fine. I would have thought copper would cause galvanic corrosion when in contact with the cast iron rotors. Where ss fasteners are used thru aluminum, the norm is to use a plastic sleeve/bushing between the two such that the bare metal of one does not come in contact with the other.

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